La guerra que viene: IRÁN

Iniciado por myeu, Diciembre 26, 2006, 12:16:38 PM

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Gonzo

Puedes poner un enlace a la noticia?

Lapi_0

Que fume, que fume la gorda, que si le da por dejarlo explota, la jodí­a.

:-m

Que lo mismo era una bomba camuflada, oye.

problemaS

Blair ha dicho que no tení­an malas intenciones. Y el GPS no sirve de mucho cuando no se ponen de acuerdo en la frontera. El lugar es el estuario de un rí­o, cambiante de forma en tierra, y por lo visto la extensión de la frontera en el mar está en disputa entre Irak e Irán desde hace tiempo.

Los ingleses han hecho bastante el primo, ni su lancha llevaba armamento, ni estaba protegida por otro barco, y encima se encontraban en un conflicto de esos de "tu palabra contra la mí­a". Los iranies ganan la partida por todos los lados: les devuelven a los secuestrados en Irak y encima montan una photo opportunity que te cagas a costa de 15 chavales a los que la Royal Navy les ha dado la espalda desde el momento en que se montaron en la barca.
No vemos las cosas como son, sino como somos.

Rufo

Más que marines, parecen niños de COU en viaje de estudios... ¿Se jubiló el Sargento de Hierro?

"Ser tonto, egoísta y tener buena salud, son las tres condiciones requeridas para ser feliz; más si la primera nos falta, todo está perdido"

problemaS

Blair welcomes Iran announcement

CitarThe prime minister said Britain had taken a "firm but calm" approach in negotiating with Iranian officials.

He said the UK bore "no ill will" to the Iranian people and wanted to resolve any differences with their government "peacefully".

The Tories and Lib Dems welcomed the freeing of the crew, but said questions would have to be asked in due course.

'Real surprise'

Speaking in Downing Street, Mr Blair said: "I'm glad that our 15 service personnel have been released.

"I know their release will come as a profound relief not just to them but to their families who have endured such distress and anxiety.

"Throughout we have taken a measured approach - firm but calm, not negotiating, but not confronting either."

He added: "To the Iranian people I would simply say this: we bear you no ill will.
No vemos las cosas como son, sino como somos.

Lapi_0

Cita de: Rufo en Abril 05, 2007, 11:03:47 AM
Más que marines, parecen niños de COU en viaje de estudios... ¿Se jubiló el Sargento de Hierro?
Una prueba más de que nos hacemos mayores.

Gonzo

Esto es lo que yo he leí­do. Aquí­ dice que los ingleses no aceptan lo que dicen los iraní­es.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6502805.stm

The Ministry of Defence says the merchant ship boarded by a crew from HMS Cornwall on 23 March was 1.7 nautical miles (3.1km) inside Iraqi territorial waters. It says the master of the vessel has confirmed this.

HMS Cornwall was south-east of the merchant ship, inside Iraqi waters.

On 24 March the Iranian government told the UK - according to the UK's Ministry of Defence - that the merchant vessel was at a different location, but still within Iraqi waters.

When the UK pointed out to the Iranians that the location they had given was within Iraqi waters, the Iranians provided a "corrected" location, nearly 1 nautical mile away (1.9km) from its first position but within Iranian waters.

The UK government disputes both Iranian claims. It says the "corrected" location is more than 2 nautical miles (3.7km) from its own version, as recorded by HMS Cornwall's GPS data equipment.


Gonzo

Más o menos así­:



- Estaba usted en aguas iraní­es.

- No, mire, ve? estábamos en aguas iraquí­es.

- No, no, esa posición no es correcta, la correcta es esta.

- Mire, que no, pero es que de todas formas esa que usted propone también está en aguas iraquí­es.

- Uh, er, no, pues entonces la correcta es esta otra.

- ...




problemaS

Gonzo, no te emperres con las aguas territoriales, eso es anecdótico y además un pozo sin fondo del que poco se puede sacar más que Irán dice una cosa y GB otra.

Lo realmente importante es que ha habido un intercambio de detenidos, que no ha pasado nada más, y que los iranies se han marcado un tanto mediático con su público, mientras que los ingleses han actuado como ingleses y no como usamericanos, lo cual se agradece.
No vemos las cosas como son, sino como somos.

Gonzo

Los iraní­es decí­an que no soltaban a nadie hasta que los ingleses no reconocieran haber entrado en sus aguas y tal y cual.

Yo pregunto si han hecho tal cosa.


problemaS

Cita de: Gonzo en Abril 05, 2007, 11:31:58 AM
Los iraní­es decí­an que no soltaban a nadie hasta que los ingleses no reconocieran haber entrado en sus aguas y tal y cual.

Yo pregunto si han hecho tal cosa.



Suerte que no te dedicas a la diplomacia!
No vemos las cosas como son, sino como somos.

Gonzo

Alguien puede dar un dato objetivo, más allá de expresar sus simpatí­as por lí­deres teócratas antioccidentales?



Don Pésimo

Iranian hardliners make political capital after releasing 15 detainees
MICHAEL THEODOULOU

IRAN'S firebrand president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was the unlikely master of ceremonies when the captured British service personnel were released, but he was deliberately kept out of the negotiations that secured the breakthrough.

The final decision to show Easter "goodwill" to the "little Satan", as Britain is referred to, was clearly taken by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the all-powerful, publicity-shy supreme leader of Islamic Republic, Iranian and Western analysts said.

Ayatollah Khamenei ensured that a more sober and trusted figure led the delicate negotiations on Iran's behalf. This was Dr Ali Larijani, a quietly-spoken, pragmatic conservative who heads Tehran's negotiations on Iran's nuclear programme. He is a senior figure on Iran's National Security Council.

Dr Larijani entered the diplomatic fray last Monday after days of stuttering, formal exchanges between the embassies in Tehran and London.

Dr Larijani got in touch with Channel 4 News to make it clear that Iran wanted a diplomatic solution.

Western analysts are convinced that Tehran had wanted to capture the Britons. The elite Revolutionary Guards who seized them had ample motive to flex Iran's muscles.

A senior former Revolutionary Guard commander went missing in Turkey in February. Tehran said the United States had kidnapped him; the West said he had defected.

And in January, US forces in northern Iraq seized five Iranians who Washington insisted were from the shadowy al-Quds unit of the Revolutionary Guards. Iran in turn insisted they were diplomats.

New UN sanctions - imposed just a day after the Britons were captured - targeted the Revolutionary Guards' business interests as much as they did the Islamic Republic's nuclear programme. It was time to hit back.

From the start, though, there was little appetite in Tehran for a drawn-out crisis.

"I detected no eagerness on the part of Khamenei to have a full-blown crisis with either the US or Britain," Professor Gary Sick, a US expert on Iran, told The Scotsman.

London at first gave quiet diplomacy a chance.

When that did not work, Britain went to the European Union and United Nations.

Iran was furious that the crisis was being internationalised, and used this as the excuse to renege on a promise to free Leading Seaman Faye Turney, the only woman among the 15 Britons.

A well-connected Iranian businessman told The Scotsman that Ayatollah Khamenei had planned to announce the release of the Britons as an "Easter gift" to Britain. But advisers told him to let Mr Ahmadinejad to take the credit - which, as a keen showman, he did with apparent theatrical relish after first lambasting the British "invaders" at his press conference yesterday.

Hossein Derakhshan, Iran's best-known blogger, commented: "

Ahmadinejad was allowed to announce the release to repair the image of Iran that's [been] hugely damaged by himself over his unnecessary anti- Israel comments."

Iran presented the Britons' release as an unconditional goodwill gesture that showed the beneficence and mercy of the Islamic regime.

And Iran will undoubtedly claim victory in its showdown with the "little Satan" - with good reason.

Prof Sick explained: "Iran appears to have gained something from its pressure tactics: a kidnapped Iranian diplomat was released [on Tuesday] and Iran has reportedly now gained approval from the US to have access to its five people who were taken away to unknown locations months ago.

"I personally believe that the US action was the fundamental origin of this dispute and accounts for why Iran chose to state its capture of the British sailors."

Mr Derakhshan, meanwhile concluded that Mr Ahmadinejad "is one heck of a street-smart politician". He added : "Iran is a winner in the recent standoff, as it ultimately was when the US removed regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan".




http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=386&id=523392007
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Don Pésimo

Iranian President left best till last
By Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dragged his rambling monologue out for two whole hours before dropping his verbal bombshell that Iran planned to release the 15 captured British marines and sailors as a “gift” to mark the Prophet’s birthday.

The announcement took Downing Street, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and the Ministry of Defence completely by surprise.

British officials handling the crisis had noted a change in mood this week but no one imagined that the Iranians would climb down so quickly without demanding anything in return.

So what caused this sudden turn about?

Certainly Mr Ahmadinejad has not suddenly gone soft on the West. Most of his press conference yesterday was taken up with a diatribe against America and Britain, who were blamed for most of Iran’s historical setbacks and most of its current ills.

He also repeated the claim that the captured Britons had entered Iranian waters illegally. To reinforce the point he pinned a medal to the chest of the Iranian officer responsible for capturing them.

The only possible explanation is that the release was ordered by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme leader, who has so far not spoken publicly about the 13-day crisis.

Behind the scenes it is assumed that a fierce struggle has been taking place in Tehran between hardliners and pragmatists.

The extremists wanted to put the British on trial or at least hold them as a bargaining chip for the release of five Iranian officials arrested by US forces in Iraq in January who are still in custody.

The more moderate elements advised the opposite. Iran is already reeling from sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council and in all likelihood faces further measures this year if it is does not halt its controversial nuclear programme.

The British might not have been in a position to use force against Iran but they did demonstrate that they could muster powerful allies around the world willing to take up the cause of the captured British sailors and marines. Iran’s economy is already weak, further action could damage the Government’s power base.

The UN Security Council passed a resolution calling for an end to the crisis. A tougher worded statement came from the European Union. Key Middle East regional powers, like Turkey, Syria, Saudia Arabia and Iraq also took up the cause and bombarded Iranian leaders with calls to free the British.

Many leaders in the region feared that the incident could provide the spark for a new conflict in the Gulf. US forces have been massing in the area and there are genuine fears that President Bush may order an attack on Iran before he steps down from office..

Yesterday Tony Blair made it clear to the Iranians that he had two options available to him. One was patient diplomatic negotiations. Failling that he could squeeze Iran internationally, further isolate the country and set the stage for a prolonged conflict.

Amazingly, Iran blinked first and the crisis which threatened to destabilise the region further now looks to be over. The sailors and marines should be home to enjoy Easter with their families.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1613919.ece

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belzebu

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